Jeep Pickup

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 07/20/2016 at 12:00 • Filed to: Jeep, Jeep truck

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The wheel track is wigging my brain out. Why is it so much wider than the truck? Whats with the extreme dished wheels? My first thought ran to wheels with data gathering tools behind the hubs, then it ran to the JL track width being greater than the JK and that this mule is based on the JK...then I though “why would they build a skinnier JK mule box?” Thoughts?

Also, It looks to be coil sprung in the rear...which should be interesting for payload capability, something the JK already lacks in a big way and something the coil sprung RAM 1500's aren’t really known for...

One this for sure...this is going to be a large vehicle.

Jcarr > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:03

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I wonder if that bed is meant to have fender flares that aren’t installed on the mule.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:05

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The bed is from a ram and the rear of the cab looks like sheet metal from a extended cab or ram mega cab. Its probably a one off prototype before a jeep designed bed can be stamped together. My guess is the first prototype is to use off the shelf parts from the factory and see what is fits and what needs to be revised for preproduction.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:05

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While I can’t speak about those specific wheels - don’t production Jeeps have huge fender flares (which aren’t on this mule)?

I’m expecting this to be a Wrangler Unlimited with about 6-12" longer wheelbase. Payload of maybe 1500lbs, probably closer to 1200lbs. Maybe I’m wrong and it’ll be a real “truck”, but I'm thinking something closer to an Avalanche in actual proportions.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:05

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I don’t like the bed. It looks like someone just hodgepodged a modern chunky pickup bed onto it. Jeep beds should be tub-style, or at least have the appearance being single walled. They are also nuts if they don’t do a single cab.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jcarr 07/20/2016 at 12:06

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Yeah, that’s likely, in which case...way to cave to style jeep when you could have made your bed a lot more useful.

OCD-CO > Jcarr 07/20/2016 at 12:07

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I was gonna say that as well. It appears that they would be adding them ala current JK front flares style.

EL_ULY > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:07

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They’re going to have to re-calibrate the international BRUH metering standard for this.

HammerheadFistpunch > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 07/20/2016 at 12:08

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The bed can’t be from a ram, it would be WAY wider, since the JK is only 74 inches and a RAM is between 80-81 inches wide.

Slant6 > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:08

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Bed looks too small compared to the rest of the vehicle.

Honestly if I were Chrysler I’d find a way to get a solid front axle under a 1500 and give it a Jeep grill. Bam, Jeep truck. Most Jeep buyers are primarily interested in the brand anyway.

DirtyBird > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:08

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looks like its on a ram chassis, definantly a ram bed at least

HammerheadFistpunch > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/20/2016 at 12:08

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flares are likely the culprit.

OCD-CO > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:09

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I hope the back half of the cab is removable as well. That would look silly with doors off and top off but no back half off?!

Heck, the whole thing will look silly with the top off in general.

But, I will buy it!!!

HammerheadFistpunch > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 07/20/2016 at 12:09

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Yeah, the bed...especially the bumper...look really out of place. It could just be a mockup though.

Tekamul > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:09

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Those wheels are so weird. It wouldn’t be data tracking though, it makes no sense to have it out there, and it looks like those mags are really load baring portions of the wheels. Maybe they’re trying a funky new hub? But why do that with a test mule platform?

So far, it looks like an awkward pickup truck. They’re really going to push the boundaries of Jeep loyalty.

EDIT : I see on the FP, somebody knows that they are indeed measurement bolt-ons to the wheels.

Pickup_man > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:10

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It looks like they just took a 5.5" box off a Ram and slapped it on. I sure hope that camouflaging is hiding a lot, because if it isn’t I think this is going to be an ugly truck.

In fact taking a closer look at it, this has to be a pretty crude prototype model. Look at how that rear wheel sits way forward in the wheel opening. I’m guessing this is simply a crew cab Jeep, with the rear end of the cab cut off, and a skinnied up Ram box thrown on the standard JK frame. I’ll reserve judgement until a more final form is spotted.

HammerheadFistpunch > EL_ULY 07/20/2016 at 12:10

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add at LEAST 3 more “u’s”

HammerheadFistpunch > Slant6 07/20/2016 at 12:10

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Not a bad idea really, but it would piss a lot of people off still.

Party-vi > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:10

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They cut the ass of a JK and stuck an Explorer Sport Trac bed on it. Boo and hiss GIVE ME MY GOD DAMN RENEGADE-COMANCHE YOU FUCKERS!!!!

HammerheadFistpunch > DirtyBird 07/20/2016 at 12:11

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not a ram bed, or at least not one that’s off the production line, the JK is half a foot narrower than the ram and while the JL is supposed to get a bump in track width...its not going to be THAT much.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:11

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I can’t see any point in a vehicle with an open, 4-foot bed. And if I truly needed a 4WD vehicle, which is unlikely in the extreme, I would not think to look at Jeep. Though I would think to post on Oppo and see what HHFP recommended...

Slant6 > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:12

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As awesome as the Jeep truck is it’s really just going to be an Avalanche replacement for most people.

This is also the only way I’d ever buy a Jeep. If you’re going to get 10 mpg you might as well have a bed.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:12

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Ram bed, sham tread, fam

HammerheadFistpunch > Pickup_man 07/20/2016 at 12:13

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again, its not a ram box, the RAM box is WAY too wide for this application, though it could be a spliced up ram box.

Ross Kraz > DirtyBird 07/20/2016 at 12:13

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It does look very similar. Probably used a lot of the same tooling, just trimmed to be smaller.

HammerheadFistpunch > Party-vi 07/20/2016 at 12:13

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Tell me how you really feel.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:14

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HA! thanks. That being said, the JK needed cargo space BADLY so any amount is helpful.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:14

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I think the proportions are just about right. Not too small that the bed isn’t useable and not too big that it’s the size of a full size truck. Most of the body work is probably a hodge-podge of whatever they had laying around so i doubt the lines are what the final product will look like

HammerheadFistpunch > Tekamul 07/20/2016 at 12:15

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I guess they are Kistler roadyn transducers

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:17

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Is your work related to the trips you take?

Ross Kraz > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:17

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The bed looks too similar to not be part Ram. They probably wanted to save time instead of making new tooling for a prototype, and they had to get something on there for testing. I would bet the production model looks much different.

BTW I love that we just said screw it to Jalopnik and have our own discussions here.

HammerheadFistpunch > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/20/2016 at 12:18

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Probably true. I think that its going to be a huge truck though. The JKU already had a massive wheelbase. Exactly the same as a Tahoe.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:19

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I’m guessing it’s a Ram bed that they cut and welded to fit on the frame and this is just the rough test mule. If it turns out to be a medium duty truck like the Taco, I’m all for it. Maybe the Wrangler will become what the Land Rover was.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:19

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sometimes. For example this video

was related to this trip

HammerheadFistpunch > Ross Kraz 07/20/2016 at 12:21

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Its not so much a “screw you” as it is a “lets see what the oppo folk think” I know a lot of you don’t visit the FP anymore.

HammerheadFistpunch > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 07/20/2016 at 12:22

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They are one concept from production away from it.

Man I wish they would build this. The time will NEVER be better to build a new touring wagon.

Nonster > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:23

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The wheel track looks funky just because the bed looks like a chopped up Ram bed, I imagine it’ll have the same fender flares that’ll match the front

I’m really hoping for a single cab version or at least an extended cab option

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:26

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I hope it is.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nonster 07/20/2016 at 12:26

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You are probably right, though not about the cab options. They will have their hands full trying to build the 3 versions they have.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:29

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What does that make you? Photojournalist? Videographer? I suppose I could ask you this offline...

Video nicely done, BTW.

Ross Kraz > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:30

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Right. Like “screw trying to talk about this with a bazillion comments, let’s have an intelligent conversation over here on Oppo instead”

cazzyodo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:31

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Jeep face, Ram ass, full sized length?

I’m hopeful for somethign good but pessimistic because of the above making no sense whatsoever. It’s not like there isn’t something people can already buy aftermarket that they can target and improve upon. If they give us a Jeep-faced Dakota the size of a Canyorado while using Ram parts, I will be disappoint.

I can live with the Tacoma/Canyon/Colorado size but would much rather something like

But hey, we’re not exactly representative of the greater market here.

That being said, it’s release is in line with plans to get a truck so at least I’ll have another test drive to do.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:31

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Thanks, I call my self a video producer. I’ve always hated the term videographer. not sure why.

HammerheadFistpunch > Ross Kraz 07/20/2016 at 12:33

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yeah. Im on record as saying that trying to avoid the FP is stupid, but I knew I would have better conversations here.

HammerheadFistpunch > cazzyodo 07/20/2016 at 12:34

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There is a chance there will be a short wheelbase model...but I really doubt it.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:34

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Massive for off-road sure, but most people will never take this on more than a dirt road. It needs to be more use-able in everyday life than a hardcore off-roader (that’s what the JK Rubicon is for). As long as they make it look good and give it decent off road capability it will sell.

Also it may have as long a wheel base as a full size, but it will be narrower and shorter overall. That bed doesn’t hang out nearly as far as most full size trucks.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:35

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Oh man. If this can tow anything close to 5000 lbs this is going to be my next haulage vehicle to replace the Dakota. Have they confirmed engine choices yet?

cazzyodo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:37

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The way the Unlimited moves on lots and how American consumers are with trucks, my doubt is also high.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:37

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I think the former is a more expansive title. The latter may be a bit dated. I consider myself to be a serious amateur portrait photographer who definitely appreciates good video, but I have no real interest in doing any video myself. Do you have a favorite video editing software? (I may have asked you this before...)

HammerheadFistpunch > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/20/2016 at 12:37

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oh yeah, its not going to be any worse for dimensions than a tacoma, but but its not going to be a small tidy vehicle. I disagree with the off roading too, I think people will immediatly take these off road and modify them for extreme use. Yeah, there will be a large chunk of brand buyers, but the Jeep community has been clamoring for a Tacoma of their own for a long time, they are ACHING to get a Jeep with a bed for adventure driving.

HammerheadFistpunch > Flyboy is FAA certified insane 07/20/2016 at 12:39

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Expect a modified Pentastar 3.6, and the mystery diesel (maybe the 3.0 VM?) Towing should be up to the 5000 lbs range if they can finally jeep a jeep 4 digit payload capability again.

HammerheadFistpunch > cazzyodo 07/20/2016 at 12:39

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ayup.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:39

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I use the Adobe Suite. Its kinda the only serious option these days.

misfitmascots > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:40

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So it’s the Crew Chief concept with the heritage grill

Pickup_man > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:41

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Yes, obviously the Ram box is way too wide, I mentioned that maybe it was a skinnied up version, because it certainly looks like they just sliced some out of the center. For all I know it could be a completely unique box, but it looks awfully similar to Ram’s current styling, and not what I expect from a Jeep truck.

HammerheadFistpunch > misfitmascots 07/20/2016 at 12:43

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Take away the silliness and its pretty much what you have. I wish Jeep would go hog wild with wrangler variants. multiple bed/cab options on the truck and a touring wagon...oh man how I want the Africa concept.

or a troop carrier?!

yes please.

HammerheadFistpunch > Pickup_man 07/20/2016 at 12:44

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probably the case.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:46

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Some are speculating a Turbo-4 also. I’d hope the Diesel would be the 3.0. that’d be a lot of torque for a truck like that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:49

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There’s an open source app called ShotCut.

Is it Adobe Premier?

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:51

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Yeah, Premiere is the video app, but I also use After Effects (graphics) and obviously Photoshop pretty heavily.

misfitmascots > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:51

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I wish they would release the variants as well, they would sell them in a heartbeat.

I would love this thing until it fell apart.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 12:55

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I use PS, Lightroom and InDesign.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 12:56

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I hate ID...but mostly because it confuses and baffles me so.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 13:02

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I produced a high school yearbook for five years, every page from scratch in InDesign, so I’m fairly profficient at it. I love it because of the high degree of control you get in the page layout. Adobe is really the bomb. Do you own a copy of CS6 or so, or do you pay for the monthly subscription?

Cash Rewards > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 13:04

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I know the overhangs are probably much smaller, but the wheel base being the same as a Tahoe blows my mind.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/20/2016 at 13:12

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The company pays for a special version of the cloud.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cash Rewards 07/20/2016 at 13:13

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They are big girls, the wheelbase is almost 7 inches longer than a 4runner.

Nothing > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 13:16

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Potential removable top panels? Cool. Enough to make me trade in my Taco on one? Probably not. I say this not knowing the reliability/durability of a Wrangler, but I think the Tacoma will still be the wiser long term choice for me.

I still really like the TJ Unlimited and wouldn’t mind picking one up some day.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nothing 07/20/2016 at 13:21

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yeah, the thing with the Tacoma is that its got a well earned reputation as being a solid all rounder with unbeatable reliability. The Jeep has a reputation of being an amazing crawler with completely beatable reliability. Good luck with the TJU hunt, they are getting tough to find.

Pyrochazm > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 14:45

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Based on the amount of AEV brutes I’ve seen around here, FCA will make a mint on this.

handyjoe > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 14:59

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I’m guessing the box was just something they had. It was close, this is just a mule...no need to make it absolutely correct. They’ll fix it in production.

With it being coil sprung, though, they’re probably going for more “Jeep with a box” than “Truck that can do Jeep things”. Especially since the RAM 1500's are coil sprung, and it definitely won’t be any more HD than that.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 15:40

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JL platform, not JK mule. Wheels are used for data recording, usually have “sticks” mounted from them that go up to the sensors mounted on the body. JK and JL are already coil sprung, so of course this will be.

nermal > HammerheadFistpunch 07/20/2016 at 18:43

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My speculation is that it will be the same as the regular Wrangler from the front to the 2nd door, with the same tailgate, bumper, and tire carrier on the back.

So, it will pretty much look exactly like a Brute. Nothing really shocking there.

The big issue will be payload and towing, how high will that go?

HammerheadFistpunch > nermal 07/20/2016 at 18:58

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That’s the big questions. It HAS to be better than the wrangler...but how much are they willing to go? The trouble is that even with the D44, the RGAWR is only 3200 lbs (front 2775), so they can’t go nuts unless the wrangler truck weighs a lot less than the wrangler unlimited [not likely] or they’ve beefed up the axles. Not to mention giving up on flex and ride.

I talked to an engineer at Toyota about the pansy Tacoma payload ratings (1175 for the TRD quad short V6 Auto) and he told me that it was a deliberate choice to suite a user that has shown little preference for maxing out the payload or towing of a midsized in favor of comfort and flexibility. I suspect that the truck will need to be someplace between the Tacoma (1175) and the Canyorado (~1550 quad short z71 auto) which was clearly designed to be like a 3/8th ton truck in capacity.

I can tell you that Jeep NEEDS to do something to quell the complaints of poor towing and payload options from the crowds.